Tuesday, April 7, 2009

Opening a Bank Account in Uruguay



I was able to open a bank account with little effort today in Montevideo. I presented two forms of identification. One of them was my passport, which is required. The other one, my driver´s license from Florida, served as proof of address in the states. Much different from the three other banks I had already tried.

One other bank was willing to open an account but there were a few more requirements. So I went with the easier bank.

Although opening an account in Uruguay still is pretty easy if you find the right bank and fulfill their requirements, there are some things that it might help you to know.

Banking in Uruguay is in a bit of a state of flux right now. For years Uruguay has been known as the Switzerland of South America because of their reputation for safe, dependable banks and strict bank secrecy laws.

Uruguay does not, by law or practice, protect criminals. If someone appears before a Uruguay judge and produces evidence that someone is involved in criminal activity and may be hiding the proceeds in Uruguay, an investigation will be opened. But up until now they would not allow someone to go on a fishing expedition into your private matters without showing just cause.

However, offshore banks have been put under pressure in recent years and some are attempting to resolve the problems by refusing to deal with U.S. citizens.

Recently the Montevideo daily newspaper, El Pais, reported that the OECD put four countries on their black list for refusing to comply with OECD requirements to abolish their sovereign bank secrecy laws. Uruguay was one of those countries. The country faced being denied loans from the IMF, the ability to do business in the U.S., and was threatened with an embargo. They signed an agreement to comply.

Some Swiss banks had already been notifying their U.S. clients to withdraw their money and close out their accounts because they are no longer going to serve U.S. citizens. The Wall Street Journal, on April 8, 2009, reported that one Swiss bank, UBS AG, had barred certain bank employees from traveling outside the country in order to avoid arrest as the U.S. continues their attempts to force other nations to abide by their proscribed banking standards. So naturally banks are becoming more and more afraid to deal with U.S. citizens.
And more and more cautious when they do.

All of this makes one wonder what ever happened to respect for liberty and national sovereignty. The International Forecaster, a financial newsletter, reported in their March 18, 2009, issue that the Swiss have no intention of complying because they expect the whole financial system to implode before they
will need to. Who knows? Certainly I do not claim to. Probably it will take a little time to find out where all this is headed. AND more importantly, where it ends up!

But in my opinion. Uruguay is one of the safest countries for banking.

Here are things to consider.

Documented proof of the origins of money to transfer into your account is a serious issue. You can deposit a small amount with no problem. But they are very concerned about keeping on file documented proof of origin for larger amounts. It is not sufficient that the money is coming from an established account with another bank or brokerage. You need documentaton that can serve as proof of origin.

Therefore, as you are going through possessions, there are a few things you should make a point of hanging onto until you see if you need them.

If you have a closing statement from real estate or something like that, you are okay. Since some residential real estate sales in the United States have no tax implications if we lived there for two years, many of us have not thought it necessary to save settlement statements from those sales. If you are transfering money here that would correspond with the amount of such a sale, that settlement statement is just what you need. So if you come across something like that, don´t throw it away. Bring it with you. And if you threw it away and can somehow replace that documentation, try to do so. If you have several, bring them all.

Settlement statements from real estate sales are something they understand here. I can´t say the same for things like brokerage accounts. In fact, when I mentioned to one banker transferring from a brokerage account his response was "People in Uruguay do not understand about that."

So, to stay on the safe side for now, don´t throw away any of your documentation if there is a chance that it might serve to justify something that you just can´t justify otherwise. If you will be transferring money that you inherited, be sure to have that documentation with you. One person that I know who had inherited some money as a listed beneficiary on the bank account of a deceased relative was able to justify the transfer through a letter of verification of origin from the bank.

However, a word of caution here. Several have found that Bank of America will not write reference letters. Some banks in Uruguay require a letter of reference from your current bank. When I first heard of the refusal of BOA to write reference letters, I called my branch to verify that. They told me that they, in fact, were not authorized to write reference letters. I changed banks. I didn´t need a letter of reference at the time, but it was a matter of principle. To my thinking that was the least they could do for a long-time customer.

This week when I did need a letter from my bank I was glad I made the change several years ago. My branch of Suntrust has been absolutely great.

In all fairness to the bankers in Uruguay, I don´t think they want to make things difficult for their customers. I think that they are just doing what is required by the international banking cartel in order to keep themselves and their country out of trouble. Perhaps you can make it easier for yourself and for them with this extra information ahead of time, by being prepared when you come.

Following is a list of requirements for opening a bank account as presented to me by a top level Montevideo attorney who claims that he handles more immigrations into Uruguay than any other attorney--and probably does. I have added my own experience. And please, if any of you should have something to add, now or later, please do. There is a little envelope near the bottom of this blog that you can click on and post comments for all to see, or else just email me at newsfromlatinamerica@yahoo.com. We are all in this together and I would like to keep this information as current and accurate--and helpful--as possible.

Here is the attorney´s list in bold type with my own comments in parentheses and italics.

ID, passport is recommended

(The bank where I opened my account required two IDs, not just one. I used passport and driver´s license from the U.S.)

Proof of address--utilities bill

(My U.S. driver´s license served for proof of my U.S. address and my sales agreement for the real estate I am buying here served as proof of local address. However, in case you might decide on a different bank you might want to bring a utility bill from your U.S. address since some do require that. One other bank I considered did want a utility bill. I was up the creek on that one since I have no utility bills. They seemed unwilling to accept anything else.)

Bank reference letter from your current bank, plus one local reference from Uruguay.

(The lawyer who provided this list charges $150 to act as your local reference. I did not need a bank reference or a local reference. But one other bank I checked does require both a bank reference and a local reference. One banker here told me that if I had two bank references from the U.S. I would not need a local reference.)

I hope this information will make the transition to Uruguay a little easier. Things in Latin America are always subject to change and so, once again, please submit any additional information or experience that you might have or let us know about changes that you discover. It could be your opportunity to help someone else. Also if you have questions, don´t hesitate to ask. We don´t know all the answers but will certainly do our best.

© Arlean Kelley 04/16/2009 All rights reserved.
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10 comments:

  1. It would be interesting to know what BROU offers (I intend to research in a few days when I return) besides zero-interest $US checking accounts.... Opening an account was simple; getting a return is something I'd like to know more about.

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  2. Hi "Anonymous!"

    Good question. Two days ago BROU offered me 1.5% a year on a CD--if that helps any.

    I don´t think you´re likely to get a good return in interest from any safe bank. If you find one that does offer something I hope you will share it with us.

    Right now I think the best return will be from gold and silver and related stocks--or other commodities if you know enough about it.

    Thanks for the question and the comment.

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  3. Me again - I'd say 1.5% vs 7% inflation means you're losing 5.5% a year...maybe you can make up for it with volume? =P

    I agree re. gold and silver stocks, but I want to do it outside the land of the Untied Snakes...don't know about brokerage options in UY.

    I've yet to look into buying physical gold here - I'm told it's easy in MVD at cambios.

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  4. Yes it's easy to buy metals in Montevideo. They do want your name and address though including a utility bill to prove you are who you say you are. Also I have noticed that when there is a shortage elsewhere, the same is true in Argentina and Uruguay. About brokerages, when I return to Montevideo I expect to do some indepth interviewing of Montevideo brokers and see if there are any that deal directly with foreign exchanges, as with the Toronto exchange, etc. If I find anything new I will be sure to post it on the blog.

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  6. Update to earlier post. I have learned from some people who have been buying gold in Uruguay that although they may ask for your name and address, they will also sell to you without it. Good news. If I were buying gold I wouldn't want everyone at Gales to know who I was!

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  7. Arlean any update on whether you can buy US or Canadian securities using a Uruguay brokerage. Thanks

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  8. Hello, Rolando. Yes you can buy securities from all over the world from Uruguay brokerages. I am personally acquainted with two. They are
    G. Bengochea Y CIA
    Rincon 477 Esc. 201,
    Phone 915-3318. http://gbengochea.com.uy/index.php?m=7

    and

    Victor Paullier Y CIA
    Misiones 1487,
    916-1040
    http://www.paullier.com/ingles/home.htm

    Both are located in Ciudad Viejo, the historic Old City of Montevideo.

    At the Bengochea exchange they do speak English, although their web site is in Spanish. You will find these people pleasant and we know of expats in Uruguay who recommend them highly. They do trade through the United States, meaning you can buy foreign stocks but it will be on the pink sheets. You have a choice of two banks for uninvested funds. One is a U.S. bank, the other is a commercial bank in Uruguay.

    At the Paullier exchange they speak English as well. I have not dealt with them personally, though we did interview them regarding their services. They trade internationally and so, if you want to trade direct rather than through the U.S. exchange, you might want to talk with these people.

    We also invite others in Uruguay with experience with these or other firms to let us know your experience.

    Rolando, let us know if we can help you further.

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  9. Note to Devid: Hi, your post came up for moderation but it appears to me to be just a veiled advertisement. I am not opposed to advertising on this blog that will help our readers but we don't allow them without review. If you want to contact me with more details I may let it stand but it has to be justified. We'd need to know more about it.

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  10. what do these bank references need to say?

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